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Exposing Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves – co-founder of the Satanic Temple and Grey Faction presenter
This page was created to let people know the other side of Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves’ work.
In the
article: “Mental Health Licensing Board Ignores Complaint Against
“Satanic Panic” Conspiracy Counselor” By Doug Mesner (alias of person
using alias Lucien Greaves) from the Daily Kos.
Doug Mesner repeats the same misinformation about Neil Brick and S.M.A.R.T. This has all been refuted in previous articles:
(see: https://www.change.org/p/protect-child-abuse-survivors-petition-to-stop-attacks-against-child-abuse-and-ritual-abuse-survivors-and-neil-brick
and
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/reply-to-the-satanic-temples-grey-faction-online-guest-post/ )
“Continued bullying, online harassment, name calling and personal
attacks are occurring in the comment section under the Satanic Temple’s
Grey Faction online guest post.”
Interestingly in the comment section under Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves’ article, there are several criticisms:
“If true, the entire diary is going after someone for their
disabilities, and trying to get them barred from work because of their
disabilities. Flagged.”
“Until you’ve sat with a client and easily (I never used hypnosis)
persuaded or asked alter personalities to “come out” and saw the
complete transformation of a person to another person in a split second…
you can’t fully understand what DID is like.”
“This is creepy and I’m flagging it for confusing weird elaborate
accusations that lack suitable citation. If someone is able to defend
this and can add some real citations, I will remove my flag.”
“No that the letter you cite verifying that Brick is sane and in
remission isn’t linked just quoted….The website process.org claims to be
you and writes “In Defense of Neil Brick” and now you write with a
petition against him. The website I linked to first that is Brick’s blog
in rebuttal to you is from 6 years ago so obviously you’ve been writing
this for at least 6 years using the same language and I wonder why.
There’s plenty of weird ideas online and on youtube and what I
understand from this diary is you want Brick to be ineligible to act as a
Licensed Counselor but he was evaluated and passed the eval although
you offer no evidence of that part. But you say upthread you will add
that part later. You should have waited to publish until you had that to
add.”
“It is certainly possible to have dissociative disorders that are not iatrogenic, as I myself had one.”
Doug continues his insults in the comment section below the article:
“hack quack therapists”
“harmful BS hysteria”
“Your comments are dishonest and frustratingly stupid.”
Doug discusses psychiatric diagnoses, yet it is unknown if he has any training at all in diagnosing these or their symptoms.
Other online criticisms of Lucien Greaves and The Satanic Temple;
(Note: All accusations are alleged and only the opinions of the specific
websites cited. Please check websites listed for sources.)
Harvard can do better than give a platform to a “Black Mass” promoter who ridicules sex abuse victims http://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/05/harvard-can-do-better-than-give-a-platform-to-a-black-mass-promoter-who-ridicules-sex-abuse-victims/
“More
Internet searching shows Greaves, as Doug Mesner, works….with the False
Memory Syndrome Foundation, which was founded by Pamela and Peter Freyd
after their adult daughter Jennifer accused her father of rape….One of
the organization’s founding members, the late Ralph Underwager, gave a
lengthy interview to a pro-pedophilia journal in the 1990s in which he
criticized pedophiles for not being “bold enough.” Underwager said,
“Pedophiles can make the assertion that the pursuit of intimacy and love
is what they choose. With boldness they can say, ‘I believe this is in
fact part of God’s will.”
To be fair, Underwager, when criticized over the interview, said his comments had been taken out of context.”
“All of which is to say that, as a victim of child sexual abuse, I do
not think very much of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation or its
co-founder Underwager, and so likewise do not think much of Greaves’
association with it or his ridiculing people who claim to have recovered
memories of child sex abuse. (Again, he has a long Internet trail,
which in this case shows quite a bit of vituperation directed at child
sex-abuse victims and those who support them.)”
How to stop the OKC “Black Mass” for now
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/feastofeden/2014/07/how-to-stop-the-black-mass-for-now/
“I wrote about …. previously when expressing concern over Harvard “Black Mass” promoter Greaves:
I am not encouraged by the fact that Greaves is close with registered
sex offender …, who, along with his wife, run a Satanic worship center
in …..
Look up …..in the national sex offender registry and you will see that
he was convicted of sexual battery in 2009. The rap sheet notes that he
has satanic tattoos all over his body. The court ruled that he had to
remain on the registry for life.
In what appears to be some sort of sick joke, the website of … Satanic
“church” features a “rape awareness” page decorated with images of
flowers.”
http://www.tinfoilhattime.com/2014/05/20/doug-mesnerlucien-greaves-the-huckster-behind-the-harvard-black-mass-and-similar-shams/
Critiques of Lucien Greaves and the Satanic Temple from former associates:
religion: a master and slave relationship by Shane Bugbee
http://www.shanebugbee.com/?p=2161
“I’ll try to explain why I have such a disdain for The Satanic Temple, a
practical joke turned religion and could be cult, and the reasons
behind my need to make that disdain public, as there is seldom one
reason.”
“Then Doug told me his main motivation for The Satanic Temple was
profit, to create a “substantial income”, that was enough for me to want
to cease helping in any way, and to question the true intent of this
project. While I am all for profit, I want nothing to do with a cult.
Because the people The Satanic Temple wants to extract money from are MY
people….”
“I recall Doug Mesner telling me the C.I.A. had asked him to write some
private reports for them, maybe in my most paranoid state I could run
with and ramble about the possibilities there… More likely, The Satanic
Temple is just the act of a group of social and career climbers using
slick psychological marketing tricks in the tradition of Edward Bernays
to meet their ends. But at the least, I think anyone could question and
everyone should question the intent of a guy from wealth and without
ties to the occult as to why he has decided to fund a Satanic religion
while pulling the strings of a guy who has such a brilliant mind, who
has studied the science of the mind at one of the top learning
facilities in the world, and maybe, just maybe you could come up with
the same conclusion I have, that The Satanic Temple has ulterior motives
above and beyond helping mankind or making a movie.
A Satanic monument is a mindful person looking into a mirror… religion is a control mechanism.
beware – be aware.”
High Priest Brian Werner resigns from The Satanic Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIN4aZ8IMz0
https://churchofahriman.net/2014/08/13/doug-mesner-aka-lucien-greaves-truth-about-the-satanic-monument/
“The Satanic Temple’s spokes man Doug Mesner aka Lucien Greaves, just
stabbed us in the back. It seems time and time again, we help other
Satanists get things going, then all the sudden the knife is sunk in.
Here is another one to add to the list…. Here are some emails between
Lucien Greaves and Dastur Adam Daniels”
Articles from https://ritualabuse.us :
The Urban Legends of Those Attacking Ritual Abuse Theories and
the False Logic of False Memory Proponents and Their Occultist
Supporters – Presentation by Neil Brick
https://ritualabuse.us/smart-conference/2016-conference/the-urban-legends-of-those-attacking-ritual-abuse-theories/
“My license to practice therapy has been threatened with filed licensing
complaints by people connected to a group called the Grey Faction, a
part of the Satanic Temple. My job as a therapist has nothing to do with
my advocacy efforts to stop child abuse and I have very clear
professional and private boundaries that I maintain to ensure this
continues to occur.
Yet, the Grey Faction associates keep
harassing me and others in the field. Their attacks are factually
inaccurate and meritless. Their attempts to silence me have not
worked. I have continued to publish research and promote the truth
about child abuse, ritual abuse and mind control crimes on the Internet.
Their campaign to silence child abuse survivors and rape victims has
combined harassment, propaganda and misinformation.”
“I believe that the work of the Grey Faction is meant to purposefully
dehumanize and insult ideological opponents, so our ideas are derided
and not believed.”
“We can see common threads in attacks against child abuse survivors throughout history. Child
abuse survivors have been called crazy, confused, hysterical,
delusional and so on in attempts to maintain the status quo of child
abuse being covered up in our society. Regardless of what the
false memory occultists write, the reality is that they are part of this
cover up. Instead of focusing on the factual information I write, I
have been attacked personally in an attempt to silence me.”
Reply to the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction online guest post
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/reply-to-the-satanic-temples-grey-faction-online-guest-post/
“In conclusion, the guest post by the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction
criticizes the strong research and theories of ritual abuse survivors
and those with years of research, experience and education in the trauma
field. (The members of the Grey Faction have unknown credentials and
may not have the experience to accurately determine trauma theory and
research.) The guest post by the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction presents
inaccurate arguments, which are refuted in this article. The
Grey Faction claims they are combating pseudoscience with rational
inquiry, but this rational inquiry is actually predetermined opinion,
bolstered by name calling, ad hominem attacks and insults. There is no
real rational inquiry because there is no evidence that all of the facts
were looked at neutrally to derive a conclusion. It appears
the only facts considered were the ones that back their arguments. In
its articles, the Grey Faction hides behind the name of science and
rationality, when in reality it appears it is an advocacy organization
used to discredit ritual abuse survivors realities’ and their
resources.”
Reply to the Grey Faction’s Petition to Revoke the License of Neil Brick
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/reply-to-the-grey-factions-petition-to-revoke-the-license-of-neil-brick/
“The petition states that The Allied Board of Health Professionals
licensure division, having previously received a complaint…did nothing. The fact is that no violations were found and no disciplinary actions were taken.
We believe that this new letter is part of the continued actions of
harassment against Neil Brick and those that help child and ritual abuse
survivors.”
“The petition states “While we are not privy to records that indicate
methods of treatment employed in Neil Brick’s practice.” This is one of
the most important parts of the letter. There is no evidence there are any problems with any methods of treatment Neil uses.”
Douglas Misicko alias Douglas Mesner update 7 – Radio Interview Rebuttal
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update-7-radio-interview-rebuttal/
“Doug Mesner has continued his attacks on Neil Brick and other
ritual abuse survivors. He continues his use of name calling and insults
against ritual abuse survivors and their helpers. He repeats
the same misstatements about the conference we have rebutted in earlier
articles on this website. He calls those he has ideological
disagreements with as having delusions and paranoia.
In a radio interview…, Mesner states “The organization S.M.A.R.T is run
by this little shit named Neil Brick, he’s actually when I first saw
him, he’s this staggering little moron with this greasy comb over and
thick glasses, and he’s very short and very frail.” Of course, this
physical description isn’t true. Mesner paints a false caricature of an
ideological opponent to discredit them in the eyes of the reader. This
is a dishonest attempt to discredit someone and their ideas. Neil Brick
doesn’t stagger, is a genius (test score), doesn’t have thick glasses
and is in excellent physical shape now and was at the conference. This
fabricated description is part of the false narrative Mesner paints to
back up the other false ideas he promotes to incorrectly discredit
ritual abuse survivors.
S.M.A.R.T and Neil Brick have repeatedly contested the so-called factual
points of his articles and have disproven many of them. Mesner calls
Neil Brick’s story delusional, but has no evidence it is, other than
Mesner’s own belief system. Of course, this is not evidence of anyone’s
delusion, but evidence of Mesner’s disagreement and nothing more.”
“Mesner in essence paints a false picture of ritual abuse survivors and
their helpers without any real evidence to try and discredit them. To
the best of our knowledge, he has little to no experience dealing with
severe abuse survivors and has no training in working with them.”
Douglas Mesner and the Lucien Greaves Satanic Temple Connection
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-mesner-and-the-lucien-greaves-satanic-temple-connection/
“The Satanic Temple’s website stated: In 2012, Neil Bricke, raised in a
multigenerational Satanic Temple tradition of worship, decided, with
the blessings of his fellow Satanic devotees, to officially found the
Satanic Temple.
SMART believes that this was meant to be an attack on Neil Brick, the founder of SMART. Neil Brick works to educate the public about the different types of child abuse and their existence.”
“Without any evidence presented, it claims that clients are somehow
indoctrinated into believing the horrific things that actually happened
to them as children. This is unproven and false. The myth that survivors
of severe childhood abuse are somehow encouraged to remember these
memories in treatment is also false. There’s no evidence that a patient
can be “indoctrinated” into believing a memory of abuse in a normal
therapeutic setting.”
“In another article at vice.com (also covered in other Internet
articles) about Satanists turning the founder of the Westboro Baptist
Church’s deceased mother “gay,” the article describes “Lucien Greaves”
performing a “Pink Mass” over the grave of the Westboro Baptist Church
founder’s mother. The article states that the Pink Mass is a Satanic
ritual performed after death that will turn a deceased person’s straight
spirit into a homosexual one. This event was covered on many other
news pages also.
The Satanic Temple states it eschews
supernaturalism, yet performs rituals over a dead person’s grave. There
were also pictures of Lucien Greaves on the Internet of him pulling his
penis while rubbing his scrotum on the gravestone. In the state
of Mississippi, where this ritual occurred, “Lucien Greaves” was
charged by the police with desecration of a grave according to a
vice.com article and other articles on the Internet.”
“”Douglas Mesner has continued using insults and attacks against
survivors of ritual abuse and the professionals that work with them. He
has followed survivors and survivor advocates around the Internet for
the last several years. Aliases have been used adding additional
insults and name calling against survivors.”
Additional Information on Douglas Mesner and SMART:
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update-6-examiner-com-article/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update-5/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update-4/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update-3/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update-2/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner-update/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/douglas-misicko-alias-douglas-mesner/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/harassment-by-false-memory-proponents/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/rebuttal-to-the-report-from-the-smart-2009-conference/
Please sign this petition to show support for those attacked by Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves:
Petition to Stop Attacks Against Child Abuse and Ritual Abuse Survivors and Neil Brick
https://www.change.org/p/protect-child-abuse-survivors-petition-to-stop-attacks-against-child-abuse-and-ritual-abuse-survivors-and-neil-brick
“Recently vicious online attacks have been published by The Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction and Douglas Mesner/Lucien Greaves.”
